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I hope to be tackling this sometime in the late fall or winter. Your info will be invaluable when I do!!
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The lifter bore spacing is 1.900" as mentioned in the earlier post. I knew this when this original discussion was done, but didn't mention it because I was in the middle of some product development related to that and didn't want to compromise my efforts at that time. I have some of our original Crane roller lifters we used back when they offered them as application specific items for these engines. I can make some link bars if you'd like.
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You and I should meet sometime soon.
When I get healed up from this vacation escapade, I'll get started back on the engine for Lockjaw. Right now, I'm adjusting my finances to the newly acquired car note and, as of yesterday evening, putting enough money together to purchase a new water heater to replace the one that just failed!!
You know how it is with these sort of plans!!
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I can't believe you held out on me Scott! I'm really glad we found it in Santucci's book. What we ended up going with worked out of the box with a little modification to the block. No modifiation to the lifter.
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The bosses for the side cover bolts inside the lifter area have to be ground down a little to use link bar style lifters. I can't give away all my secrets...
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The bosses for the side cover bolts inside the lifter area have to be ground down a little to use link bar style lifters. I can't give away all my secrets... I'll never tell!!!
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And that's exactly what we did...
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I hope you'll both let me pick your brains for knowledge in my build!! Us southern boys gotta' stick together!!
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Well, I paid for the water heater and I even had a little cash left over!! I saw up on the engines thread where one of our newer members found and bought a trackster with a 153 in it. Injected with a roller and even aluminum rods!! I'm jealous!!
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I sold the inline flatty six out of my COE Jeep pickup!! That'll help get a couple of other projects a little farther along. The Jeep is getting a, (y'all don't excommunicate me) big small block V8 to haul my rat rod and mine and the wife's motorcycles on trips.
I've collected a few more small pieces for the 153/175 engine rebuild too!!
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Beater of he Pack!!
I was wondering if you ever got your 153 together!
I got put down for a while with another health issue and I'm just now able to get out and around! I still have my stuff and even obtained a Buick 3.8 turbo outfit that I may add to the rat!!
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Those who know me know I never get anything put together. I do get a lot done but the hot rods don't seem to get to the front of the line. It's still in the shop somewhere. some parts are getting scattered. I'm trying to get ready for winter now but soon I hope to get the engine and trans together and start on the frame.
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I know what you mean about the hotrods never making the front of the line!! I have my Jeep truck that I just realized I've had for ELEVEN YEARS!!! Tranny and transfer case built, chassis almost done, suspension and brakes almost done, STILL collecting engine parts, and I need to locate a suitable flat bed for it.
My Harley needs to be disassembled, detailed, and painted. I have a 64 Galaxy that I have to make road worthy to pay for the paint on the Harley.
I'm helping my attorney with his '73 Mach I custom street machine and he and I are building '27 T street roadster with C4 Corvette suspension and a tube chassis, engine and transmission to be determined later!
PLUS!! I have several bookings for my rock 'n' roll/blues band AND there are two more Cowboy Action Shooting events that I have to set up and vend at.
Then there's the recent health event that I'm trying to get healed up and recovered from...........
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I think they call it "life", but I'm beginning to think it's not long enough.
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SO!! I'm still fighting the health issue with my foot and that has kept me out of the shop!! It has mostly kept me sitting in a recliner with my left foot elevated or in the bed!!
It's also kept me from spending much money, but it keeps me from making much either!!
Anybody made any progress on their projects lately?? Beater!! Have ya' got that little engine together yet??
CNC!! Any progress on the cam situation?? They're telling me that I may be allowed to walk after the first of the year!! I have scrounged up enough cash to buy the rods from tlowe and I'll be making that happen on Wednesday after Christmas!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
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No Hot rod progress. I got some spot/search lights and a tail light for the 1919 Essex speedster project and a few odds and ends for the '26 Roadster but nothing assembled. My son and I are heading over the mountains tomorrow to pick up a box scraper and disc for the tractor. I'm beginning to think that my carpal surgery wasn't worth it. If anything my hand is worse. Just had a tough time wrapping Christmas presents.
Take care of the foot and do what the doc says. Merry Christmas!
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Had two carpal surgeries on the same wrist several years ago!! Neither did much!! My problem was in my neck, but none of the "practicing" physicians would agree. Do all the therapy you can do and learn to live with it is what I've done.
Everyone!! Please be on the lookout for a mild roller camshaft for a 153/181 GM/Mercruiser four cylinder!!
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I got my new roller rockers Wednesday afternoon!! I ordered a set of four of the 6" H-beam rods from TLowe today. We'll be sending the crank out to be offset ground next week. Happy New year!!!
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Been a while since I've posted on this thread. I got the research done on the roller cam setup and it won't help me on THIS project, but I know a couple of things for the next time IF there is a next time. Roller cam for this project is on the back burner for now, UNLESS "SOMEBODY" is willing to let me buy that camshaft they have put back for future use.
I picked up a clean used 153" block today, so I can have it machined and I won't have to sideline Lockjaw while the new engine is assembled. Just $50.00 and it's needing only a bore and deck height set.
I've toyed with the idea of turbocharging it. I have a complete Buick V6 turbo outfit that will adapt and give it some serious boost, but I'm leaning again toward NA to keep it caveman simple.
The crank is back, stroked and indexed with a balancer bolt hole drilled and tapped, polished and balanced. Got rods from tLowe and a Cloyes straight cut timing set,procured locally, a set of Comp Cams roller rockers, and an ATI harmonic balancer for it.
I had a relapse, or actually a new health issue with the bad foot and I'm back on the knee scooter or crutches for a while again, but the new shop is up and working and ALL of my toys are now inside and where I can work on them when I'm able.
I'm STILL in the market for that roller camshaft!!
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Glad you are making progress. We did learn some stuff about this time last year about roller cams for these things. I haven't gotten any further on my 153 project, but am getting more junk cleared out of my shop so I can find all the parts and have enough room to get it done.
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First of all I don't know squat about these things. My engine builder got me a roller cam for my 292 no problem from Crower. Maybe they had it made when Crower made the billet crank. Is it hard because of your engine size? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
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You can have one custom made for around $1,000.00, or if you can find a raw billet for around $800.00!! There are a few radical "full race" cams out there, but they won't work for a street setup very well. The later model "Iron Duke" and Fiero cams are roller, but the valve layout is different, so they won't work either.
I know a couple of fellows who have a version that I could use, but they won't sell them and because of the rarity, I don't blame them. I hate that they won't, but I might not myself if the roles were reversed.
I will STILL keep looking and asking around.
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I can't remember, will the 151 head bolt on a 153? Could you do that and use the Duke roller cam? It would mean new manifolds.
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Brought this one back up because I was asked about which parts I finally chose to use on the 153/175 project.
There's a lot of good info here, contributed by several good folks!! There are several minor and a few major changes that I'll cover over the next few installments.
This has been a long drawn out affair, due in part to some ongoing health issues, and of course recurring, unforeseen income issues!!
Feels good to be getting close!!!
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I just went through it all and I can say that I really haven't made any real progress on the engine. A couple of friends decided to help me put my '26 Chevy roadster together last year but having it at another shop didn't work for me. I'm in the process of getting it back here but the space it took up has been filled with other stuff. Some of it the wood for the body that I am replacing. I got a new heart valve in August but I'm involved with deer season until next Monday. I know where you are with yours so I'm ready to watch and listen.
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Glad to hear your doing Good Beater
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DANG, Beater!! I didn't know about the heart valve thing!! Hope it's doing well for ya'!!
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This is my second one. The first was 20 years ago. New technology, they didn't even open me up this time. They just snaked some wire mesh with three pieces of bovine tissue attached through my femoral artery, shoved it into the old crusty valve and expanded it with a ballon to keep it in place. They sent me home the next day. It was little dicier than that but this is the happy version. It all held together fine Tuesday on a little deer hunting walk. I started out the back door at almost 6,000' and in a 1/2 mile was up to about 7,000' puffing pretty hard. I crossed over a saddle and made a mile loop back to the house. I didn't see a deer but I was in some pretty spots. Going another direction tomorrow, not so much up and a lot more over.
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CNC!! Any progress on the cam situation?? Sorry, didn't realize i'd been a way so long! I am recovering from a procedure to my left eye. It has an ocular melanoma on the retina, and I had to have a radiation treatment back in July to see if it would reduce it. I go back in November to see what it did. I was able to compete in a long range shooting competition on Labor day weekend. Luckily it wasn't my shooting eye! LOL
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Our eyes are not equal. We all have a dominate eye, the stronger of the two. That is your shooting eye. Only one of my eyes works that is my shooting eye.
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I have a similar result from different events. Banged up the right eye (crushed the socket, cheekbone, sinus); still have slightly wrong color pallet 50 years later. Then lost the left eye (ruptured blood vessel inside the cornea), so the "bad" eye is now the good eye. You never really get used to it: no depth perception (for familiar settings it appears normal, but that's your memory helping you), and no peripheral vision on the bad side.
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Sight is something that you definitely don't want to take for granted. I still don't have great depth perception since the procedure, but it has improved. Driving in the dark hours is still a challenge, especially with many of the newer vehicles having LED headlights. Its not fun, but you try to adapt and keep going.
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A few observations on having one functioning eye for over 20 years now. Luckily my good eye is the one I have left. 1. I could be my own donor if I needed a cornea transplant. 2. My world looks smaller but it is full of surprises. 3. It only takes half as long to look at an ugly woman. 4. It takes twice as long to look at a pretty woman. 5. I can't see all of a fat woman at once. 6. I don't have the urge to close my non sighting eye when I shoot.
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The wife had cataract surgery on Thursday last. She's amazed at the improvement in her right eye. She is left eye dominant and didn't know it until she started shooting Cowboy Action with me. Her whole world changed after that discovery!! She finally understood why she has trouble with depth and aiming.
The surgery also corrected her astigmatism and now she's all excited, looking forward to the next surgery to correct the left eye!!
Vision is something that we should protect and treasure!!
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My wife has no depth perception she can not judge distance never could. even in her younger yrs better much all her life.
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Depth perception is the brain's recognition that, at near distances, the left & right eyes do not receive parallel light rays from the same object. At 2" distance the eyes are crossed! It uses the angular difference to gauge distance = depth. Luckily, a camera's adjustments show us that at distances beyond 30 feet the light rays are so close to parallel that depth perception is so minimal that it does not matter. After 2 car lengths out one eye or both gives the same information. For an example of military use of this principle, the WW1 range finders had the eye pieces as normal, then 2 internal pairs of 90° mirrors separate the light path to left & right lenses as much as several feet apart to make the angular difference much larger and useful to get ranges of much greater distances.
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I just seen my type-O lol should have been Pretty much NOT better much. LOL
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