Inliners International Forums General Discussion Electrical 235 dizzy

The guy who developed it is a retired Porsche
ingnition engineer.

Every single box and most of the interia and parts is handmade. Check out the pics:
http://www.ahldorf.com/Zuendung/Siriusbilder/siriusbilder.html

You have to send him a mail with your engine specs (zylinders/6V or 12V/max rpm) and he will taylor a box for you.

The last box I bought was about 230 Euros.

Keep EVERYTHING stock incl. the plugs.
here is a connection diagram: http://www.ahldorf.com/Zuendung/Ignition/ESIRIUS/Install/Circuitry/circuitry.html

CAUTION! Don´t judge him by his website design or the music(!) this site is playing.

He´s a well known and respected ignition wizzard over here but he is not known for good taste. :rolleyes:

here is his website with a load of information: http://www.ahldorf.com/Zuendung/Ignition/ignition.html

Ich habe fast kein deutsch seit '74 gesprochen. Es wird sehr interessant (his website) fur mich. Muss man mit Euros bezahlen?
Vielen Dank.

I already picked the english version of the website (only the side with the pics is in germany).
With Western Union money order or maybe Paypal there should be no problem with currencys.

Where you in the service over here?

Frank

P.S. Dein Deutsch klingt doch noch sehr gut

Thanks, Ich habe in Osterreich (no umlaut - sorry) studiert im Austauschprogram. Es war von August '73 bis Juni '74. Ich habe Deutsch noch sehr gern, aber nich so viel sprechen. Bist du (Is that OK to say or should it be Sind Sie?) Deutscher?

I have not been to the website - is it auf Englisch too oder nur auf Deutsch?

Is it a simple conversion to do this distributor?

As you can see from my location tag I live in Augsburg Germany and yes, I´m German.

The side is in english (exept the one with the "making of")

All you have to do is hook up 4 wires.

Follow the links and you will see.

Frank

Sadly the guy retired completley and stoped making those ignitions.

I still have the points in my 56 belair with original 265. I have a spare set in the back corner of the glovebox, along with a book of matches to set them with. The thing is, they only go bad when it's raining, at about 10:30 at night, on sunday, when I'm wearing a new white shirt. I've had a pertronix in my mustang for 7 years, no issues whatsoever. My "new" 56 has a pertronix. I can wear white shirts again!

Gentlemen;

The (stock) 12V system is just fine if serviced/instaled properly.

The 'electronic systems' don't pay for themselves unless you drive 30,000 miles a year or more.

Happy trails.

Wow, I'm a simple guy and like things kept simple if they can be. I've read all this post and was able to follow some and at times was lost. I do know I used Patricks dual point Mallory. It ate condensers. Had nothing but trouble. I then put in Langdons HEI. I love it and so does my 54, 235. That works for me!
Dominic

W;

Yes; Dual points are a 'pain' W/O a "distributor machine" and seldom used like I stated.

Points rarely need adjustment/service if put in right to start off. They worked just fine from 1937 till the EPA forced the other system on us, around 1975.

Newer is NOT always better.

The HEI systems are expensive and unessary for lower compression engines. There fine for:

1) Commercial vehicles (high driven miles).

2) Operating in 'freezing' climates.

3) High RPM operations (racing).

4) Required for SMOG.

52HT;

The "electronic conversions" arn't as expensive and work well too, many like them because; there's rarely/never an internal adjustment required, just set the timing.

Glad your happy with yours.

It's the age old question; "which is better, belts or suspenders"??

Happy trails.

PS: I (generaly)don't make conversions of ANY kind. If you buy a 52 Chevrolet from me, It's a 1952.

W;

Your right; there many ways to go 'nowdays' and the price has come down too.

My 'beef' is this; they were a big pain from day one, on ALL vehicles. Mechanics were killed when they put out over 100,000 volts via malfunctions. Plus the government forcing that stuff down our throats and into the public's bankbook. Plus the costs to the "big 3" in Detroit.

It was all just a big mess, that was NEVER-EVER needed, in the first place etc...

It's been 30+ years and their perfected now, but at what a cost, to the Auto Mfg., repair industry and the public/consumers. FUBAR

The new guys comming "on board" today, don't know any of this & just see them as simpler way.

The 12V breaker system makes ALL the HV needed for a simple (low compression) engine. There easy to teach beginning students. They can be made to work (in minutes/no parts) by the (ERS/Tow Truck) folks, avoiding the tow to a repair shop, saving time/money for the consumer.

Happy trails to all.

Greetings . . .

Leaving the debate aside - thyristor based electronic ignition technology is available commercially - and as C-Dan points out it looks like a simple conversion that can be rewired back to stock in a pinch:


Quasar Electronics

Not sure if this particular unit will work on a Six. I would think the addition of 2 more cylinders will bring the quoted max RPM rating down.

regards,
stock49

K;

I think this is a "modern" version of the "capacity discharge" system, that was sold as an accessory in the 60s.

These did work well & many liked them. Then they disappeared??

Happy trails.

W;

There's no replacement parts for those 'aftermarket' things. You run em till they quit, then they hit the dumpster.

HEI parts are everywhere like you say.

I carry an extra rotor in my 81 van. Sometimes the HV burns through to ground. :p

Happy trails.

PS: The CD Ing. was just an 'acessory gimic' prior to the HEI.

Gentlemen . . .

The post started with 'leaving the debate aside' . . . I was simply trying point those interested in such gizmos to a viable source for a unit and parts - seeing has how the old Porsche mechanic who built C-Dan's unit has decided to hang up his spikes forever . . .

As for me I am a big fan of Walt's tag line "Make your own decision" . . .

for me that's a 6 volt point system. After all it is a stock '49 . . .

As for the debate . . . I think we should review C-Dan's post because he makes some good points (pun intended) . . .

First, a thyristor based ignition goes beyond replacement of the breaker points with a solid state electronic trigger. These units use the stock breaker points as the trigger to a capacitor that runs on as little as a few volts input. This capacitor can provide 30x the voltage of the battery to the primary winding in a stock coil - which means that the secondary coil winding firing the the spark plugs puts out a considerably hotter spark - and the setup doesn't degrade at all over the rated RPM range.

As for the emergency repairs debate - look at the circuit. The gizmo is installed in series on both sides of the coil. If it fails one can re-wire the gizmo out of the circuit and drive away on a stock points ignition - with no visit to a parts store.

Not my cup of tea - but I understand why some would choose the setup . . .

regards,
stock49

Still have three NOS "dual point Mallory distributors" on my shelf in the boxes. Own my on distributor machine and have for ever but hope like heck I don't have to ever uncover it. Neat old stuff to think about or display but you can stop at any convenience auto parts store in the country and buy an HEI module dirt cheap; if you don't already have one in the glovebox. I build my own HEIs from scrap ones for about 25 or 30 dollars with new cap etc,have the entire rear section of an 85 Chevy suburban full of points and caps NOS Delco. If I am going to drive it myself it will have an HEI in it.
When I put one in a newly purchased 1937 Chevrolet (stock 216 split exhaust only)a few years back; before I drove it home; its owner for the past thirty years would not believe the difference in idle and starting. He had rebuilt distributor and carb and said I was wasting my time and money! He shortly there after put a HEI in his Chevy powerd 37 Ford and never looked back!